THE VOICE OF INTERNATIONAL LITHUANIA
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Jon Platakis It appears that the Lithuanian fighting men have been imbued with the same valor as our knights of old.
Timotiejus Sevelis let it NEVER happen again!!! Poland in 1919-20, Bolsheviks in WW1!!! Stalin's goons in 1940 & 1944-1991. The German NAZIS!
Bartłomiej Kolubiński T. Sevelis@Surely, the historical conflict (1920+) over Vilnius between Poland and Lithuania should be broadly discussed on the good faith basis between our two nations – today’s allies and friends. Nevertheless, linking together in the same sentence: Poland with Nazis and Bolsheviks (having in mind millions of murdered victims of these two devil regimes) may potentially ruin any chance for such a mutual dialogue.
Linas Johansonas Bartłomiej Kolubiński: what is there to discuss regarding Poland's occupation of Vilnius?
Boris Bakunas I agree with Linas. The border question has been settled by the terms of membership in the European Union. Unless I'm mistaken, each EU member state is forbidden from challenging the existing borders.
Bartłomiej Kolubiński Just to clarify, what I have not definitely wanted to say is that there is a room for discussion regarding post 1989 borders. Writing about “discussion”, I suggested only the dialogue between historians of our two countries. Do you really feel that putting Marshal Pilsudski (Lithuanian, Polish historical icon) next to Hitler and Stalin is the right thing?
Linas Johansonas i do not believe that Pilsudski is considered a "Lithuanian icon"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Pi%C5%82sudski
Bartłomiej Kolubiński He was born in Lithuania. He is Polish icon.
Linas Johansonas My uncle was born in Prague. Doesn't make him a Czech.
Bartłomiej Kolubiński ok, please cross out the word "Lithuanian" from my post
Linas Johansonas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_War
Boris Bakunas @Bartlomiej. Thank you for clarifying your statement. I agree that it is extremely important for Lithuanian, Polish, and all other historians interested in Central European history to collaborate, share their expertise, and discuss historical issues in a way that seeks to contribute to greater knowledge and understanding. And that means trying to avoid as much as possible individual biases and to comprehend others' points of view.
Also, I was surprised to learn that anyone would compare Pilsudski to Hitler and Stalin. But when I thought about all the extremist and emotionally-disturbed ultra-nationalists in the world, I realized it's not surprising at all.
Both individual and national identity are matters of: a) legal definition and b) arbitrary personal definition.
For example, legally a person is Lithuanian if he or she is a citizen of Lithuania, like I am. However, a person still has the right to identify himself or herself as Lithuanian without Lithuanian citizenship. That's an accepted practice among people of many nationalities here in the United States.
Of course, that doesn't mean others are going to agree. But so what?
We can also (if we choose) create a hierarchy of national identities. For example, some people I know regard themselves as humans first, Christians second, Europeans third, and Lithuanians fourth.
I also know people with dual citizenship who maintain allegiance to two countries at the same time.
National identity can be interpreted in different ways by different people.
It's always a pleasure to be able to discuss something with a person who is tolerant, flexible, and non-dogmatic.
Best Wishes!
Timotiejus Sevelis This is what "nationalism" creates. Discord amongst people. I'm an American citizen, 3rd generation Lithuanian-American, or as I prefer, an American of Lithuanian descent. Are the "Tarars who came to the area in the 15th century who fought with the indigenious Lithuanians who fought alongside them against the teutonic knights any less "Lithuanian?"
Timotiejus Sevelis The Lipka Tatars (also known as Belarusian Tatars, Lithuanian Tatars, Polish Tatars, Lipkowie, Lipcani or Muślimi) are a group of Turkic-speaking Tatars who originally settled in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania at the beginning of 14th century. The first settlers tried to preserve their shamanistic religion and sought asylum amongst the non-Christian Lithuanians.[1] Towards the end of the 14th century, another wave of Tatars - this time, Muslims, were invited into the Grand Duchy by Vytautas the Great. These Tatars first settled in Lithuania proper around Vilnius, Trakai, Hrodna and Kaunas [1] and later spread to other parts of the Grand Duchy that later became part of Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. These areas comprise present-day Lithuania, Belarus and Poland. From the very beginning of their settlement in Lithuania they were known as the Lipka Tatars. While maintaining their religion, they united their fate with that of the mainly Christian Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. From the Battle of Grunwald onwards the Lipka Tatar light cavalry regiments participated in every significant military campaign of Lithuania and Poland.
The Lipka Tatar origins can be traced back to the descendant states of the Mongol Empire of Genghis Khan - the White Horde, the Golden Horde, the Crimean Khanate and Kazan Khanate. They initially served as a noble military caste but later they became urban-dwellers known for their crafts, horses and gardening skills. Throughout centuries they resisted assimilation and kept their traditional lifestyle. While they remained very attached to their religions, over time however, they lost their original Tatar language and for the most part adopted Polish.[2] There are still small groups of Lipka Tatars living in today's Belarus, Lithuania and Poland, as well as their communities in United States.
Timotiejus Sevelis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lipka_Tatars
http://www.kresy.co.uk/lith_tatars.html
Timotiejus Sevelis http://rt.com/news/lithuania-polish-minority-language/ All I say is leave people alone to live their lives in PEACE. Isn't that what freedom is all about. What do we need, more forced marchs? Get across the border where you belong! That's ludicrio...See More
Boris Bakunas @Timotiejus Sevelis. I agree with everything you have said on this post. Let me just add one point. In America, we not only live in peace with people from all over the world, but our country has thrived because of the contributions that immigrants a...See More
Bartłomiej Kolubiński
http://www.lublin.eu/Unia_Lubelska-1-672.html
Boris Bakunas @Bartlomiej Kolubinksi. I'm as sure as I can be that Linas was not making a comparison between Pilsudski and Hitler or Stalin. He was merely mentioning three occasions when Lithuania was occupied as perceived by most Lithuanians.
We have a tendency ...See More
Linas Johansonas for the record, i'm not the one that mentioned Pilsudksi in the same sentence with Hilter & Stalin on this thread.
Timotiejus Sevelis I always like to put names and faces to the people mentioned. Józef Klemens Piłsudski.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Pi%C5%82sudski
Timotiejus Sevelishttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Rossa-MATKA_I_SERCE_SYNA.jpg Grave of Piłsudski's mother in Vilnius, Lithuania. The huge black tombstone is inscribed: "Matka i serce syna"
("The mother and the heart of [her] son") and bears evocative lines from a poem by Słowacki.
"I want to celebrate the small forms of cinema, the lyrical forms, the poem, the watercolour, etude, sketch, postcard, arabesque, bagatelle and little 8mm songs. I am standing in the middle of the information highway and laughing, because a butterfly on a little flower somewhere just fluttered its wings, and I know that the whole course of history will drastically change because of that flutter. A super-8 camera just made a little soft buzz somewhere, on New York's Lower East Side, and the world will never be the same"
- Jonas Mekas
Jonas Mekas greeting:
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By Mindaugas Gedgaudas
Newhall, California
Read this article from the recent issue of World Nuclear News.
The campaign to thwart the construction of a nuclear power plant in Lithuania was and continues to be orchestrated by Russia; Russia is, and has been throughout history, determined to absorb the Baltic Nations, particularly Lithuania into their imperium.
Today, Lithuania is nearly 100% dependent on Russia for sources of fuels to generate electricity; if a new nuclear power station is not built in Lithuania, all electricity will soon be coming from Russian plants, and then we will not only be totally dependent on Russia's whims, but will also be paying them - as we already do - to continue lulling us to eventually accept the imposition of their imperial dominance. What wars, terrorism, subjugation, murder, brainwashing, denial of human rights failed at, the simple matter of control of electric power just may lead to success. It is not for nothing that Russia demanded to remain as occupants of the Kaliningrad region and eventually annexed it; it is not goodwill towards the Baltic States that caused them to build a large power station next door to Lithuania; that was done with the clear intent of drawing Lithuania into their hegemony and so obliterating it as a sovereign people.
Nuclear power is the only method available to Lithuania to have a non-polluting, nearly inexhaustible and cheap source of electricity without dependence on the governments of the surrounding states. The Visaginas power station must be built and interference with its progress must be countered.
Mindaugas Gedgaudas
Newhall, California
This triple helix model is an attempt to account for a new configuration of institutional forces emerging within innovation systems (a stage the Nordic countries to a quite high degree have reached), and I believe this is a good model for joint cooperation and innovation between the Nordic and the Baltic States. Read more...
Excellent, Aage!
Unfortunately, we still have those legacies when all the lines of institutional collaboration were parallel: from LT to Moscow. Anything more complex and/or multi-directional than that was viewed with strong suspicion by the KGB and with quite a good dose of justification. During the Soviet occupation, the Sovnarkhozy attempt at such reform by LT was also suspect. As a legacy of the occupation, now everybody is suspicious of everybody as such trans-institutional cooperation is just out of the Soviet LT genes:). The Sajudis failure to conduct the Czech style lustration to weed big Bolshevik traitors out of future power in free LT just conserved those bad legacies.
Valdas Samonis
Toronto
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